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wic
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| TiagoTiago wrote: | | I wonder why there haven't been any open-source project with similar capabilitie to GlovePIE.... :/ |
Huh? For one example, cwiid can do the same things as glovepie. There is even a python wrapper in the works. |
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TiagoTiago
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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really?! why isn't it so widespread as gpie then? shouldn't this forum and site be crowded with cwiid stuff instead of gpie stuff?
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wic
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| TiagoTiago wrote: | | really?! why isn't it so widespread as gpie then? shouldn't this forum and site be crowded with cwiid stuff instead of gpie stuff? |
For one thing, cwiid is a Linux application and glovepie is for windows. Also, it uses a VB-like api which many Windows users considers more accessible (for some reason).
At least I dont know any particular feature which makes it more superior than any other api. What bugs me is that it has managed to get a pretty large community going, but the only one benefitting from that is the author. So I think the closed source approach makes it a dead end in the long run. I'd even go out on a limb and say that glovepie has probably hindered api-development in Windows, rather than the opposite. |
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TigerGD
Joined: 16 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Taken from Carl's page:
| Quote: | | NOTE! You may not use this software on military bases, or for military purposes, or in Israel (which amounts to the same thing). Violation of the license agreement will be prosecuted. See the readme for the license agreement. |
Some of the wording is, IMO, very prejudicial and ignorant, but given the intelligence of the author, I assume that it's intended to come across that way. Despite the fact that the license is most likely unenforceable as is, it does work, if the main intention is to spark discussion and research. I'm sure a lot of people who are morally opposed to supporting the terms expressed in the license, but desirous of using the application anyway, are thinking a bit about what the "big deal" is or discussing it in places like this forum.
| wic wrote: | | What bugs me is that it has managed to get a pretty large community going, but the only one benefitting from that is the author. |
The list of people excluded from "benefitting" from the use of GlovePIE is pretty slim. There's the benefit of having a simple scripting language to use that challenges people to create new, dynamic interfaces for new or existing applications. There's the benefit of having a large community to help teach you some basics of programming, which can lead to learning more complex languages. There's the benefit of using scripts that others have made to get more functionality or enjoyment out of existing applications. And it goes on and on. I myself have benefitted from the attention I've gotten for my scripts, but (so long as I stay away from baseball sims, or violate anyone else's licenses), I could also market my work for the added benefit of financial gain.
| Quote: | | You can't make money using this software as part of a baseball simulation. This is for contractual reasons. But you can make as much money as you like using it for anything else. |
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wic
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, but I'm not talking about usability here. I agree that the (alleged) simplicity helps build community base. What I am talking about is the ability to extend glovepie itself in an open source sense of the word. You see, no being able to improve the program (add features, fix bugs, fork it) and study it to learn how it works is a huge problem. At least in the long run. Also, there is the matter of dependency of a single person. What happens if the author decides to drop the whole thing, or gets run over by a bus?
In my opinion this program should be free, ie owned by the community itself, not a single person. |
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TiagoTiago
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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I don't feel like reading the whole license again, would any of you know if it forbids reverse engineering of the code?
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wic
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Reverse engineering is allowed by law (ianal) in the same sense that you are allowed to open you wiimote to see how it works. You may void warranty and whatnot, but thats all (at least in my country).
Besides, I dont think glovepie is that big a deal compared to any of the other apis around. So start hacking a decent replacement, Windows needs a good wiimote-reference implementation which is free! |
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